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Hobbs Kennel club

February 2, 2009

We got home from Hobbs last night about 8:00pm.

My report will be a bit of a rant.  First of all we picked up Frost which was great.  She has been a super good puppy and the Cardi kids have been great with her.  PJ and I also got our 2nd RN leg, I had a great time with my friends andmy friend Barb brought me 1/2 a lamb for my freezer.

In the breed ring we did not have any success.  A lovely class bitch shown owned and shown by my friend Cathy took the breed from the classes both days.

Now about my rant, on Saturday the judge was mean and nasty.  If you want to know who the judge is you can look at the Hobbs KC info on the Onofrio website.  Ring 4 at 2:40pm.   I wasn’t thrilled when she withheld the blue ribbon in Henry but he does have a poor coat and it was her opinion after all.  Now Henry is major pointed and over 1/2 way to his championship.  He has his faults and his virtues.  This judge gave me a nasty look and told me this dog has a damn curley coat and I’m not sending him forward.  Now he was the only open dog and there were other dogs to judge in winners.  Then in bitches she gave all of us a lecture on tail carriage and set.  She said Lindy’s set was fine (not the best tail set in my house) but we needed to tail train our dogs.  Even going so far as telling one exhibitor to beat her PUPPIES tails with a riding crop to train the tails.  Then in breed after awarding BOB to the class bitch the judge told me to stay and then gave me the what for about my special PJ, his coat was horrible and he flagged with is tail andthat I should never show him to Cardigan people because they wouldn’t put up with that kind of stuff.  Now this is PJ, WD at the Bluebonnet speciality under breeder judge Steve Gladstone and Runner up Brindle dog in the Megan at the nationals under 3 breeders and made several cuts in the BOB ring at the nationals and a multi BOB dog.  

Here is what the standard says about tails and coats:

“Croup-Slight downward slope to the tail set. Tail- set fairly low on body line and reaching well below hock. Carried low when standing or moving slowly, streaming out parallel to ground when at a dead run, lifted when excited, but never curled over the back. High tail set is a serious fault.”

“The coat should not be so exaggerated as to appear fluffy. This breed has a shedding coat, and seasonal lack of undercoat should not be too severely penalized, providing the hair is healthy. Trimming is not allowed except to tidy feet and, if desired, remove whiskers. Soft guard hairs, uniform length, wiry, curly, silky, overly short and/or flat coats are not desired. ”

Now this judge will never get an entry for any dog I own and being involved  in several all breed clubs she would ever be on our hire list either.

The results on Sunday were the same  except the judge didn’t withhold on Henry but did make a comment on his coat and of course did not award him points and put Twinkle up for BOB again but the attitude was so much different.

At $25 an entry people deserve at least pleasant manners in the ring, you don’t have to like my dogs but a judge does not have the right to be nasty to people in their ring.    If the want to use their time to educate or make a comment to an exhibitor that is fine, the difference between “a damn curley coat” and “look at all these waves” is different but the point was the same from each judge “I don’t like this coat”

I may edit this as I think more about  it.

9 Comments leave one →
  1. Baledwr permalink
    February 2, 2009 4:04 pm

    Sorry you had such a bad weekend…

    While I can respect a judge who will withhold ribbons, I can’t respect a poor attitude. Obviously she didn’t like or understand our dogs at all. And in that case I don’t understand why people even bother to become judges.

    Of course I would have had a hard time keeping my mouth shut about PJ if I were you…”Oh really? Funny that he’s done so well at specialties under multiple breeder judges…”…lol…but I’m not known for my tact.

    Just remember NOBODY has to like your dogs but you :), after all you get to live with them.

  2. Winjammin permalink
    February 2, 2009 5:18 pm

    I’m also sorry you had a bad weekend.

    I’ve shown to this particular judge once in the past and will never again. My special is a wonderful mover and I have worked hard to get him to move out around the ring. However, I was lectured that a Cardigan is supposed to move in a slow and stately pace around the show ring. Hello…this is a HERDING dog…they have to be able to MOVE. I mean, I know my dog has his fair share of faults, like everyone else’s, BUT that just took the cake.

    I agree that shows are to be a good experience win or lose. We were talking about this very topic last weekend as well. “Oh well, tomorrow’s another day at the show, or there’s another show next week.” By the end of the weekend, there were a lot of people saying the very same thing.

    At least we all know that we have good dogs and we love them win or lose. That’s the important thing. 🙂

  3. Dawn permalink
    February 2, 2009 5:22 pm

    I am sorry you had such a rude judge. As someone who finished a curly red girl, I do understand that while her coat may not be optimal, she has other good qualities. I can not tell you how many times her flawed coat was beaten by a bitch with a bad wry bite. I am sorry but a few curls in the coat is not nearly as bad as a wry bite, that was at least a quarter of an inch off. Thanks for the heads up on the judge. Will be off my list too.

  4. February 2, 2009 5:25 pm

    Did you report the judge? This is the kind of attitude that authorities need to know about. Sometimes judges are having a bad day, other times if they get a rep saying “calm down” the rest of the day will be much better.

  5. February 2, 2009 7:40 pm

    Oh yes I have shown to the judge once as well, and will never show to her again! Here was my experience, I have a beautiful but very small girl entered in open. She has beautiful movement but she is slow, and there are times when it has felt like I needed t drag her around the ring. On this day she moved out, but again no speed. When I stopped to free stack, this particular judge tells me–“she has pretty movement but you are moving way too fast with her.” I couldn’t believe it.

  6. February 2, 2009 7:53 pm

    Exhibitors are paying for an opinion, and while it is there opinion, there is no excuse to be rude and cruel. Especially when her knowledge is not correct! I will never support this judge.

  7. February 2, 2009 9:45 pm

    “I should never show him to Cardigan people because they wouldn’t put up with that kind of stuff.”

    Not being a Cardigan person, or in the breed, how the HELL does she know what Cardi people will put up? Hell, in Sibes, I’ve seen breeder judges put up dogs I’d (And other non-Siberian people) consider a mediocre dog (as an outsider of the breed), based on their uncommon virtues….

    Ugh. Jerk!

  8. February 3, 2009 12:19 am

    after hearing about your experience Jinnie, I will NEVER enter under this judge. I won’t pay someone to be down right rude to me or friends of mine. Sorry it was a crappy experience, but HEY, at least you Q’d with PJ! 🙂 Yay!

  9. February 3, 2009 11:43 pm

    Several people has asked if I reported this judge. I have not yet but intend to send a letter to the AKC and to the show chair for the club. I could have reported it to the Rep but it is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Since I lost I could be seen as a poor loser, it would have been easier to report her if I had won anything but since my entries were losers in her ring it wasn’t easy to report.

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